Success Secrets from Carin Goldberg:

• Never work alone. It’s essential to be in some sort of collaboration or partnership with someone. Cultivating a creative environment is essential.
• Become facile with technology and don’t make that a secondary thing. When you’re young and you’re a student you can learn fast, so get as much under your belt as possible.
• Be honest, generous, loyal, curious, organized, inclusive, accessible, confident, humble, dedicated, brave, well informed and nice.

Early Beginnings:

I studied at Cooper Union in the early 1970’s, with the intention of studying fine art, although by then Cooper had been known as a school that fostered the talents of graphic designers like Milton Glaser, Herb Lubalin, Lou Dorfsman and Seymour Chwast. During my 4 years at Cooper, the graphic design department was somewhat diminished and marginalized.

During my last year of school I took a few design courses with two prestigious visiting instructors, Herb Lubalin and Seymour Chwast. But, for the most part, my formal graphic design training at Cooper was superficial at best.

It was not until the early 80’s that the department was re-establishing itself. Rudy DeHarak and George Sadek were responsible for fortifying the department.

As a young art school graduate in the 70’s the opportunity to learn on the job was easier. There were fewer graphic designers in general and certainly far fewer graphic design graduates. Expectations, competition and technology were all completely different. The global economy didn’t exist as it does today and graphic design was not as visible a profession as it is today.

I wasn’t a genius or a prodigy going in.  I was just a determined, curious, hard worker who paid attention and asked questions. I was lucky enough to get my first big break at CBS Television because Lou Dorfsman was a loyal Cooper alumnus and he gave me a chance.

I was naïve and ill equipped, but eager. On my first day Lou handed me a yellow ledger pad filled with sketches (drawn in red pen) for logos for the newly established Museum of Broadcasting. He stuck me in the corner of an empty workspace and told me to “work them up.” I was damn lucky to be within a few yards of a freelance designer/letterer who clearly felt sorry for me and happened to be the nicest, most generous guy in the world. He taught me how to hold and “master” the ruling pen. He taught me how to white things out, lig type (create ligatures) and draw curves and straights.  He taught me how to scratch and cut and ink.

It took about two weeks, working day and night, to finish the 25 logotypes. I tentatively walked into Lou’s office at the end of this grueling week and handed him a stack of logos. He said, “OK, good work, now come with me.”

Lou escorted me to the 27th floor.  Elevator doors opened and there emerged a huge and impressive art department that I had no idea even existed because I had been sequestered on the floor below for days with no human contact other than my “guardian angel of hand lettering.” From that moment and for the next year or so I worked in the bullpen “designing“ TV Guide ads. Lou was a fanatic about rags and kerning and he oversaw every detail of everything that left the department, large or small. It is there that I learned about typography.

I begged for better projects, little projects here and there that allowed me to flex my design skills. I was very lucky. The people that worked there were amazing. They were all dyed-in-the-wool designers and production people who were very generous to me and let me look over their shoulders.  I learned on-the-job from the best in the business.

Moving On In Her Career:

Once I was settled at CBS, I was able see what else was happening in the building.  I always really wanted to design record covers, and discovered that there was an entire other department, a music-packaging department, on a lower floor that was run by creative director, John Berg and senior art directors, Paula Scher and Henrietta Condak.

I worked in the music advertising department (just down the hall) first. Coincidentally, that was Paula’s first job before she became art director in the packaging department.  I didn’t know Paula at the time. We have a funny history together where I always had her early jobs; CBS Advertising, Atlantic Records, Time, Inc. Custom Publishing…. pure happenstance. We are dear friends now and share a great deal of history, baggage and lore/gossip!

I was fortunate enough to work with photographers like Duane Michaels, Richard Avedon and Art Kane, a priceless learning experience.  But, I became bored with art direction fairly quickly. I lost patience with the hours sitting around photo shoots feeling useless once I gave direction. I discovered I was much more interested in the craft of design and wanted make things rather than direct.

I was more interested in typography and form. With advertising it was more about the picture than it was about the type.

Before my time at CBS Records, I spent a year at Atlantic Records designing covers. I returned to CBS where I worked for the brilliant Henrietta Condak, designing classical albums, under her direction, for the CBS Masterworks label. Henrietta was a mentor to all of us in the department.

I really cut my teeth on record packaging with Henrietta.  I was lucky enough to be able to straddle that job with projects from Paula’s department where I could design pop and jazz covers.

Starting Her Studio:

It wasn’t long before I realized that I didn’t want to work for a corporation. Working at CBS Records was both utopian and dysfunctional. Creatively, it was really an amazing place and unquestionably THE place to be at that time.

But, it was the late 70’s and the tenor of the industry (and the times in general) was one of excess and, well, “sex, drugs and rock and roll.” I got impatient with most of that and left to work at Mademoiselle magazine during its heyday (when Alexander Lieberman was still editorial director at Condé Nast). It was a wonderful collaborative experience. Paula Greif, our creative director, gave us all a great amount of freedom and inspiration.  Roughly a year or so later I left to start my own studio.

Getting New Business:

As an independent designer I continued to do record covers. Warner Bros. called me to design Madonna’s first album cover, and I also had a fruitful working relationship with the J. Geils Band at the time. Shortly thereafter, I designed much of Nonesuch Records’ roster of releases.

I wasn’t making a killing, but had enough contacts to continue doing record covers on a regular basis. However, (the natural segue into) book jackets really became the lion’s share of my business for many years to come.

I managed to maintain a thriving business primarily consisting of book jacket design, with other things here and there. I didn’t have to reach out beyond that because I had so much work to keep me going non-stop.  I’ve done hundreds and hundreds of covers over the years enabling me to build a solid body of work.

New Business Development Today:

For all those years, I relied on the consistency of the publishing industry, and I didn’t really have to cultivate strong relationships within the business sector.  In most ways, it was fortuitous because it really allowed me to focus on the work. Most of the art directors that hired then me were very supportive of my work and enabled me to experiment and try new things. Book jacket design was not as “sexy” or as visible then as it has become. Art directors at that time had more control. There were fewer, if any, marketing meetings or other sorts of group decision making that often dilute the creative process. It was an easier, more rewarding time to be designing covers.

Art directors came to me for my style and my thinking and that made it possible for my practice to be more about the work and less about cultivating business relationships. To some degree I’m probably paying for that now. Cultivating relationships in the business sector is a totally different endeavor and takes a very different kind of attention and energy. But, I have few regrets. The trajectory of my career has allowed me to learn and to produce work within an environment that made me pretty happy.

Favorite Accomplishments:

Overall, I’m very thankful and proud that I’ve hung in this long.  (Laughter.) I’m very proud of the work that I’ve done. However, I can’t say I get pleasure (in, fact, its painful) from revisiting my work. Once it’s done, its done. I only look forward to the next project.

I also had a baby in the interim.  I ran a business that was demanding. I had at least 45 or 50 books that I was designing with one assistant during a six-week deadline 3 or 4 times yearly.  The demand to read reams of pages of manuscripts, to consistently come up with inventive solutions and then to run home everyday and be a mother (and a nice attentive wife) was a nearly impossible challenge. The “nice wife” part was definitely lost in the battle on occasion.

I’ve also taught design for 25 years and I’ve gained the respect of my peers in the interim. I take that quite seriously.

So all in all, I’ve done OK but I am very hungry for the experience of making new work and I’m anything but finished or satisfied with my accomplishments.

I’m now moving into a new phase. At my age, I’ve got a lot wisdom to share and apply, most of it pretty good, and I have decent reputation. But I am always aware that I have to be willing to re-invent. The business has changed, there’s no question about it, and I need to understand how I fit into the scheme of things.

Toughest Challenge:

Like any living, breathing person you get through stuff. Whether it’s losing someone close to you, financial woes… you get through it.

I certainly won’t use these pages to list personal tragedies or specific challenges, but I will say that I am a very lucky person. I have a very supportive family and equally supportive friends and colleagues. And so far, I have my health and a few active brain cells left to work with. Plus, I’m a big advocate for therapy, marriage counseling, ice cream and mind-numbing TV.

Tips for People Just Starting out:

Never work alone. It’s essential to be in some sort of collaboration or partnership with someone. It’s really stifling and lonely to think that you can sit in your pajamas at home and work efficiently and fluidly. Design is inherently collaborative.

Also, although I wouldn’t have said this a long time ago, it’s important to become facile with technology (or have a staff with current and confident skills). When you’re young and you’re a student you can learn fast, so try to get as much under your belt as possible. The computer became a new and essential tool in the middle of my career. It was a difficult transition. It changed my work in ways I am thankful for, but sometimes I admit I am nostalgic for the times when I had control over my medium.  I often feel less empowered because of my lack of computer prowess. My assistants help me through this with great skill and enthusiasm.

About Carin Goldberg, Principal, Carin Goldberg Design:

Carin was born in New York City and studied at the Cooper Union School of Art. She began her career as a staff designer at CBS Television, CBS Records and Atlantic Records before establishing her own firm, Carin Goldberg Design, in 1982.

Over the following two decades Carin designed hundreds of book jackets for all the major American publishing houses, including Simon & Schuster, Random House, Alfred A. Knopf, Farrar Straus & Giroux, Harper Collins, Doubleday and Hyperion, and dozens of album covers for record labels such as Warner Bros., Motown, Nonesuch, Interscope and EMI. The breadth of her work covers artists as diverse as Kurt Vonnegut and Susan Sontag, Dvorák and Madonna. Her book jacket for the 1986 reissue of James Joyce’s “Ulysses” has become an icon of postmodern design.

In recent years her image making has expanded to publication design and brand consulting for clients including The Gap, Sterling Brands and Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia. From 2002 to 2004 she was Creative Director at Time Inc. Custom Publishing, where she designed and consulted on numerous publications for several clients such as the New York Stock Exchange, Microsoft, Citigroup and Gallup.

She has taught typography and design at the School of Visual Arts for 25 years. Carin was the president of AIGA/NY from 2006-2008 and is a member of Alliance Graphique International. Carin was most recently awarded the first Art Director’s Club, Grand Masters Award for Excellence in Education.

Interview by Will Sherwood, MA, MSP
CEO/Chief Creative Officer
The Sherwood Group, Graphic Design / Web Design
2767 Zenith Way
Myrtle Beach, SC 29577

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